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| Name: Richard location: Tipperary |
Aisling, I did not know anything about the TEAL, the person recommending it said there was no need to spent the money for th electric unit, the other would keep the water warm enough. Which it doesn't! The burco is not a hand washing unit, it is just an electric water heater which keeps a certain amount of water at the required temperature. you would need a basin. Odd enough, all health inspectors were happy to see the teal hanging there, but none ever checked whether there was water in it or not nor did the check the temperature. It is not really essential in our case as I sell only eggs and frozen goods. Sometimes I cook free samples and then I use gloves.Check the solution with such large pump can, it works well for us and the has HSO accepted it.And it is certainly the cheapest way for hot water. |
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| Name: aisling location: dublin |
Richard how come you were warned off the plug-in tealwash? Do the burcos pass health and safety as handwash units? Cheers |
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| Name: Paul Carrington location: portlaoise |
would you please let me know as to whether or not the CLARA MARKET is still on each sunday .... if so can you also give me the cost and availability of a stall .... many thanks | |
| Name: mary weir location: dublin city |
Dublin City Council is now in the process of setting up a number of pilot scheme/local producers markets in the city area. If you are interested in trading at these markets, or would like to discuss any aspect of setting up the markets please e-mail events@dublincity.ie or phone 00 353 1 2223144 mary weir | |
| Name: Richard location: Tipperary |
12.5.08 Aisling, We have a TEALWASH, were advised against the one to plug in, so the water is quickly cold. We also use such a hotel coffee warming can, 2.5 ltr or so, the water is still hot after a days work. With a sizeable stainless steel bowl you are fine, I think. If you need plenty, a small 5 ltr BURCO on 220 V costs around € 170. try an ad on freecycle or cheapcycle. Good luck, |
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| Name: aisling location: dublin |
I agree richard...Something MUST be done about this forum. I'm no techy but cant you just go to the likes of forumer.com and they host your forum for free - no government grant needed! A buy and sell section i think is greatly needed as well...which is why ive come on here - I'm looking for 1 or 2 handwash basins preferably something like what tealwash do, small and compact and can produce hot water. Anyone got any going a begging or know of any going cheap? cheers |
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| Name: Trish location: Cork |
Thanks Richard, dont know when you replied but am doing it now....11-5-08 | |
| Name: Richard location: Tipperary |
11.5.08 Hi Jenny,and all, We could enter into a lengthy discussion about the future of farmers markets and, more important, the prospects for traders. Many relevant comments have been made on these pages, unfortunately they are not accessible in any fast or meaningful manner. Despite many requests and plea's by various people the administrator has never made a move to change the system or explained publicly why there is no change. The lack of money has been mentioned to me, but not a specified sum. Maybe we can collect money to achieve this long overdue change to a proper discussion forum. I 'm absolutely certain it will bring a lot of benefits to both, traders and customers. Maybe Minister Sargent could be approached for a grant. There is an interesting article in this weeks (10.5.08) Framers Journal about farmers markets. It is made quite clear that the term is not describing what happens out there. As long as private individuals organising events under the Farmers Market banner to make an income for themselves we will see no changes for the better. They should call them whatever, maybe car boot sale. Most of those events have very little to do with farmers or farming, I'm reliably informed that some markets have sometimes no farmer at all. By farmer I mean a primary producer selling her or his goods from their own farm, either in their natural state or processed into value added goods. I know I will be hung and quartered for saying this, but if farmers markets don't go back to what it says on the label there will be no future long term. Food and food - related items is what should be sold there, wherever possible locally sourced, but certainly locally produced. They should never be available in any shop - supermarket etc. I liked the term “bored-golf-widows “. I won't blame those, but I blame the market organiser(s) for letting them in. Competition is good and necessary, but it must be controlled. If the organiser is taking (allegedly) up to € 80 per stall per day she or he has naturally an interest to let everyone in. What the stallholders are taking home is of no interest to (most) of those organisers. There are now certain products spreading nearly all over the country. Is this still artisan production?? We are having enquiries from far away, for exotic goods, but we will stick to our rules and our loyal customers will continue to support us. If farmers markets are to stay a lot has to change. The first is this bleedi'n forum. I'm sure many of you could and would make comments to certain questions, but there is not always a need to put it up on a website. We are all in the same boot. Some are rowing, some are trying to come to a consensus in which direction to steer, but the vast majority is leaning quietly back, not rowing at all and giving out when the boot does not move............. And some have already secured more than one life jacket should the boot start to sink......... Here, again, my email: auler1@eircom.net. I was first reluctant to put it up here, wary of abuse. But so far I haven't received any direct reaction from readers of this site. God help us if rumours are true that civil servants are working on a legal framework to “regulate” farmers markets. I have witnessed such a “development”in a related context and can only say we would be better off without it!!!!! It's time we do something. Who will start? Where are all the contributors from the early days gone??? |
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| Name: Richard location: Tipperary |
Trish, email roseanne@goldiefish.ie urgently(deadlines!)for info. She has a few markets coming up, mostly once-off events, but all in Cork and good for getting someexperience and meeting fellow stallholders. If you email me I can forward a list. auler1@eircom.net Richard |
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| Name: Trish location: Cork |
Any one got any info on getting on waiting lists for markets in the cork area? I emailed Caroline Robinson a few months ago before we set started up, but got no reply and still find that getting info on market lists very difficult. There seems to be loads of Artisan Bakers around, hopefully theres room for one more in the Cork Area? |
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| Name: Jenny location: Dublin |
Richard, I understand your point completely about USP but do you not think most traders want to get their products in to shops? I for one am sick to death of trading in the bad weather week after week and am thinking strongly of doing wholesale. At the moment I only do markets and I do have customers who shop at more than one market for my product which is nice. I know some traders who's business would rely heavily on the markets and are really hurting due to weather and general drop off in customer attendance at markets. Not just the weather but competition is also affecting business. I know in Dublin there are so many markets to choose from it is getting to saturation point. Traders are being put under lots of pressure to do markets that are not profitable for them in order to stop other stalls trading down the road from them. Not sure what the situation is like in Tipp but competition is fierce in Dublin. I have a bakery and every couple of weeks I have to deal with competition from bored golf widows baking in their kitchens. They have no overheads and don't rely on the money so just do it for fun but it affects my business. As soon as the going gets tough and the weather gets bad they are gone. They never last but still do damage!I remember a time when markets were fun, lively and a pleasure to trade in but now I can't wait to leave all the BS behind because it has now all become about the money and I don't like it. I have had people I called friends backstab me to build their business in order to sell up and get a better price for it down the road. Their is no loyality toward or protection for traders and doubt their ever will. | |
| Name: hany location: galway |
i wish to send to me alist of the daily or the wekly markets in galway and around galway if you please and how to do bussnis in this markets and many thanks | |
| Name: Dave Alexander location: DUBLIN |
HOW MUCH ARE TRADERS FEES AT ST.GEORGES MARKET.BELFAST | |
| Name: Richard location: Tipperary |
Deirdre, I know exactly what you mean with standing in the weather every week, 50 weeks a year, two days a week. The fact that traders want to get their products in shops is actually counterproductive for the markets. I firmly believe, and their is evidence, that markets only have a future if they are selling goods NOT available in shops.That's what the industry calls USP (unique selling point) What is the incentive for a customer to go to a farmers market if more and more products, which appeared there first, are now available in the local supermarket. Convenience is a big factor! I also believe that the term Farmers Market has lost its real meaning when the goods on offer diverted from food and local produce to whatever may sell. There are so many factors effecting the success or failure of a market. Markets in and around Dublin have a population behind we can only dream of. Why some do well and others don't I cannot judge from here. But I think where the stallholders manage a market themselves there is a better chance. If it is organised by individuals as a business the real motivation gets pushed in the background. One problem I often come across is the honesty of the traders. Often it's not what it says on the label. And you cannot fool customers for ever. Another point is continued presence. Doing a market is not a pick-and-choose activity. One has to be there ALL the time, otherwise it is disrespectful to the customers and it sheds a bad light onto the market as a whole and all will feel the negative effects. Therefore if stallholders don't develop group skills etc. it will not work in long term. Regards selling in shops: We had many inquiries for our range to be sold in various shops.We refused all because I believe nobody can sell our stuff as good and convincing as we are doing it directly at markets all by ourselves. It's the personal touch, the direct dialog with the customer, in stark contrast to the self service in a supermarket. Any comments? |
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| Name: Deirdre location: Dublin |
I don't think it is just that to be honest. I seriously think the novelty factor has warn off and also a lot of markets to choose from. I may be wrong but some of the products that are sold in Dublin markets I can now get in my local deli. I am not saying that is a bad thing but i don't need to wait for my local market to open to get what I need, it is just progress. Every trader would like to get their products on shop shelves and that is what they are doing. Good luck to them as I would hate to have to stand in that weather every week. | |
| Name: Anne Kennedy location: Greatfood.ie |
Hello there, Greatfood.ie has a list of farmer's markets here http://www.greatfood.ie/item_display.asp?cde=1&id=404. If you get a moment, can you check that your details are correct and if not, send me updates at info at greatfood.ie. Thanks a million, Anne |
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| Name: jackie location: leitrim |
interest rates rising, less money around, fears of a recession - it's not just markets, i have some friends who have shops and bars - it's the same all over, people are not spending money at the moment. | |
| Name: Richard location: Tipperary |
Are stall holders experiencing the same, like many I have spoken to: Customers are not spending as much money at markets anymore as they did before.What could be the reason(s) for that? | |
| Name: Richard location: Dublin |
To answer soe questions. Public liability insurance is E250 from IOMST and that seems to be the cheapest.I only know about Dublin markets and most of the good ones would be full at this stage or would have a waiting list. Most markets allow non-food so just check out the list of markets on this site and start checking them out.For William, the Dominican Farm based in Wicklow Town are also an organic farm. It is run by nuns on a non profit basis(as in all money goes to running convent, school and gardens etc)so would be good to contact them also. Sorry don't have the number but I am sure it is on the internet. Good Luck | |
| Name: Jackie location: Co. Meath |
Can you tell me where i can get the cheapest public liability insurance. this is a requirement for a craft fair I would like to take part in. thanks |
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